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bidalot
Joined: 14 Feb 2012 Posts: 75 Location: Paris
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: Would like a new old Bimota |
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The rebuilding of my Mantra is over.
Now I'm searching another project for my week-ends.
I saw two enboxed V-Due (0 Kms), but I think it's just a nightmare to use and service.
So, I'm considering a SB8R or a SANTAMONICA.
Have you any advice's about these bikes. What is the "market" price ? |
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GeeKay
Joined: 29 May 2009 Posts: 1767 Location: West Yorkshire
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Forget the SantaMonica's they are the poor cousin to the SB8R.
The SB8R is the one to go for - a really excellent, fully sorted (PCIII + mapping), very low mileage (7000kms) bike has a market price of 9000 Euros.
Just what my SB8R would cost you. _________________ Bimota SB6 and Benelli TNT 899S road bikes.
Beta Techno trials iron. Project bikes:- Suzuki V4 500, TS185 cafe racer, XR11/71, Kettle/Katana, TDRGV250, OR50, Gag125,Triumph T595 and a Triumph X75 Hurricane replica.
Too many projects............... |
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vort28
Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 2194 Location: Northwest , UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Bidalot . Having just bought a v-due and a Santamonica, well 3 months ago, both New-Old-Stock . Here are a few things I have learn't.
Vdue evo 2010 , 125bhp with Jolly pipes . Still looks modern, only thing that lets it down is the headlight. If you have a pulse in your body, the sound and smell will get it going.
Now done 200 miles, thing is bloody small , suspension setting out of the create are all over the place . Lots of wiring not connected, left over from the injection system , but in general, other than suffering from the usual Bimota stuff , 'were you have to strip it down to change a fuse ' , quite easy to work on and understand.
Santamonica - wanted one of these for years, and as good in the flesh as in pictures. Bike feels so well put together, but is a bit of a pain to strip. This is a superbike for the road. Carbon everything, pressurised carbon air box feed by a 3inch dia carbon ducting from the nose cone etc etc, you get the picture. Handles well out of the box, Ohlins perform fautless , it is a piece of motorcycle art !!!
Now the bad bit. Every bloody wire on it is purple. Clocks / ecu control everything. Cambus wiring, no fuses, lots of exposed connectors. Should have a big sticker on it saying ' DO NOT GET WET ' . However still puts a big smile on my face.
If the wife told me it was her or one of them !!! I would have to pack her bags. |
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Pompey
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 2311 Location: Marlborough
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Only bimota lovers buy new bikes and have to call it a project! _________________ Pomps
Bimota's Db2, Db5 ,Ducati's 851' 92, 888' 93, Honda blade' 93, Triumph speed triple' 07, kawasaki zxr 750 k1 |
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Evilchicken0
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 2996 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Vort - Wish you hadn't said anything about either of them. _________________ Don't read everything you believe |
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Pompey
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 2311 Location: Marlborough
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:24 am Post subject: |
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From a design angle I think the Santa Monica wins hands down, they look just right. _________________ Pomps
Bimota's Db2, Db5 ,Ducati's 851' 92, 888' 93, Honda blade' 93, Triumph speed triple' 07, kawasaki zxr 750 k1 |
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Evilchicken0
Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 2996 Location: London
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Actually I don't know the differences between the SB8 models .... I like the black one and the Gobert paintscheme. _________________ Don't read everything you believe |
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husson73
Joined: 31 Jul 2010 Posts: 188 Location: Paris FRANCE
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Bidalot V due is a very special bike and the fact you're living in Paris as me isn't very good if your bikes are also parked in Paris.
The V-due doesn't like at all riding on the town and you should foul plugs very often when you come back home on the traffic (and the bottom plug is a nightmar to change).
An other weak point for the froggies is you can't get now a french tittle for a foreign V-due so the only one you can buy is a V-due with already a french tittle. |
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bidalot
Joined: 14 Feb 2012 Posts: 75 Location: Paris
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Husson73,
You're right. The V-due is a "diva".
Have you seen the one which is sold by a Triumph dealer in the 92 ? |
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vort28
Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 2194 Location: Northwest , UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I like the black one and the Gobert paintscheme. |
EC - Black ones are the RS, the special version of the R, more carbon bits and machined ergal. Gobert is the SB8K as is the santamanica. Different styling and electrics. Special shower type injectors mean't to improve torque and bhp. Gorbert has Paioli USD , SM has Ohlins and radial brakes, Oz wheels. Obviously Gobert has a different paint job.
Husson73 - Had alot of issues registering the vdue in the uk also. Had to get a few letters from Peiro before the authorities would accept it as a 1998 and therefore emission exempt. Worth it in the end though. Brings a smile to my face even though it is still running in. |
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husson73
Joined: 31 Jul 2010 Posts: 188 Location: Paris FRANCE
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Bidalot haven't notice until your post and so have seen it now.
few informations, original or modified one with indirect injection, cranks and so on?
I don't search one as I already own one.
Price is too high, I think maximum price for a V-Due with french title should be around 12.000 € french V-dues over this price are never sold.
The V-due at Lyon in Le bon coin is for exemple on sales since years, actual asking price is 15.495 € and was more before around 19.999 €.
Vort: the french Bimota importator from the later 90s 1999 to 200? Gelain has send a letter (on 2004) to the french authorities on which he said the V-due is a dangerous bike and he doesn't want to deliver the paper need to have a french title.
So since this time, it's nearly impossible to get a new french title from the french authorities for a V-due coming from other countries |
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vort28
Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 2194 Location: Northwest , UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Dangerous ???? , that is UNBELIEVABLE.
Bikes by their nature are dangerous, but the vdue no worse than others. Maybe it is the danger of your head exploding because you are smiling to much
Prices in France seem quite cheap. UK price's are about the same in pounds , so roughly 14-15,000 euros.
Bidalot , for information my vdue is a carb version. Obviously had never been run, but basic clean and new fluids saw it fire up 2nd time. I think a basic understanding of 2 strokes, and a willingness to learn will be all you need to keep a vdue running. From what I have learn't so far they are reasonably reliable as long as you maintain them. |
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husson73
Joined: 31 Jul 2010 Posts: 188 Location: Paris FRANCE
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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the real reason of the letter was in fact Gelain was very angry about the V-dues who came from Italy from Pietro stock and wanted to stop such importations.
Carburators V-due can't have a tittle in France as the V-due was homologated only as injection bike. |
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vort28
Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 2194 Location: Northwest , UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Gelain was very angry about the V-dues who came from Italy from Pietro |
That explains it a bit more, Piero is still around selling stock though luckily.
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Carburators V-due can't have a tittle in France as the V-due was homologated only as injection bike. |
I have learn't a few things about France today, and none of them good. Did always wonder why you saw modified injection vdues for sale in France though, and that explains it. |
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oily
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I have learnt a few things about France today, and none of them good. Did always wonder why you saw modified injection vdues for sale in France though, and that explains it. |
ditto _________________ SB6 mk1 (project mega light, big bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Big Bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Restored)
Sb6R fighter
Sb6 or Sb7 WANTED |
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