Bimota Forum

[mr-fabricator]

Good morning chaps ,

As per title , so what can be done in real terms to the Dicati 1198 engine , does anyone have any knowlage off these engines either through bimota or Ducati circles ?

Of course theirs the Ecu re-flash to up the fuelling , race titanium echaust and free flow filter , all together these are the 200 hp conversion . I read on a Ducati forum that it's advisable to dial the cams in as they are pretty much always out from the factory .

Any "hot " cams available with different profiles , head work for flow , valves , throttle body's, larger air box , tuned throttle pipes , capacity increase is probably pushing it a bit !!

Also with work such as this carried out what other bits n pieces can be uprated / graded , ?? Slipper clutch , tougher gears etc etc .

Any one an idea what bimota offer with regards to shall we say "a race engine" if you were to hand them the money over when ordering your dream bike and siaid you would like WSBK spec ultimate engine.

And so over to you guys , thoughts , advice and knowlage welcome
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Cheers , lee

[brian]

200hp would be enough power to get me in some serious trouble. My sb6 produces less than 150 (at the crank) and it still out performs me
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[mr-fabricator]

Morning Brian , my last k9 gsxr1000 was around the same at crank and was bloody quick , and carried an extra 25kg to the bimota .

It's always nice to know you have ???? Hp at your disposal , and if I were to have a play on the track seeing what well over 200 feels like , full chat down the main straight would be mind blowing ,

More power means more torque also and in the real world would be beneficial , plus the engine wouldn't actually be working as hard for any given speed .

Remember when Jeremy clarkson put a M3 and a small engine economical car around the track , BMW didn't break a sweat and was more efficient as it was bearly working to keep up with the second car which was being throttled !!! Better fuel economy from the Beemer to .
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[brian]

Yeah I agree Lee... the track is definitely the place where lots of power is useful. The sb6 was a dream on the track (track day) but it would have been nice to have more power .

I'd love to get one of these late model rockets (any of the new 1000's would do) on the track for a squirt.
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[mr-fabricator]

I am biased to suzukis but my k9 was a weapon , would love to strip the guts out off one and track it ,

But I'd also love to get a little 600 , R6 ?? And thrash the pants of it , probably be good practice to get confident then unleash the beast !!!!!!!! Ha ha
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Cheers , lee

[djt77]

Have a word with Justin from Pro Twin about engine modifications.

I think the biggest issue might be electronics as very few have right stuff to tune the Walbro ECU.

[Evilchicken0]

The biggest secret to speed is suspension because you can carry more corner speed. Weigh your wheels and see if carbon ones are lighter.

As for the engine look for a duke or v twin tuning shop or maybe a race team. The first thing is to get the engine to breathe so look at the air box and filter I guess you're already trying to get that Arrow system. Go for a super stock tune with flowed heads.

Really if you want a track bike buy a track bike, a good club race bike from the series just below national level maybe. Doing this will give you a bike that is a known bike so you'll be able to get parts and knowledge without spending time / money developing them.
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[mr-fabricator]

sounds good budy , could call them , see what options are available and a ball park price ------ ball park results .. ,

it all seems to be ecu and zorst .. even on the duke sites ...

god knows how id find out what Bimota offer themselves , speaking to Alan info is sketchy , I realy do get the feeling that you say youd like something , they give u a price that looks more like the odometer of a 30 year old ute and expect u to hand it over without even asking " so what do u actually do to the engine " what areas are worked on and whats replaced , beefed up ??


Ive always liked to have the very best I can afford , I live the technical side and engineering that goes into things ( spooky that as im an engineer ) ,

The bike initially is pushing my comfort zone with finances but I feel its worth it , after some hard working and getting the majority paid off I will most probably look to improve on virtual perfection , tyres , then suspension ( ohlins probably ) then ill look to bullet proof and spec the engine up WSBK standard but as mentioned its like secret hand shakes to get a insight let alone a technical answer ..

more web browsing ...
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Cheers , lee

[mr-fabricator]

Thanks evil , sound advice .

filter and airbox for sure , not found anyone that can say for sure if the tuned air box pipes actually work or how they help , ive played with different length pipes on throttle bodied car engines before , depending on wether you want top end speed of low down grunt .

arrow is a possibility tho ive got my name down for the bimota developed one of 20 systems ever made . just trying to justify the price , but they were designed and built for the bike , would be the icing on the preverbial cake
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[mr-fabricator]

PS

im on a strict---ish diet ,

should add few valuable HP/Ton lol .

tho I do miss bread and would consider murder for a cheese cake / mud cake

" must resist "
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Cheers , lee

[Gavin944888]

mr Fabricator......without any hesitation re dial those cams...I redialled mine on a 999r engine and the results were good.
Admittedly, I had a force fed air box and an unusual exhaust but the whole lot was in an Cagiva elefant frame and even with the restrictive fairings/tortourous air route got 143 hp at the rear wheel.

I also would like the Bimota performance exhaust for my similar engined DB9, but there is already more power than my heart/head or skill level can manage.
although...I have contacted the factory and a nice lady called Maria Elana Rozier said "she would see what could be done" I also informed her that if the exhaust is available I'll name by next child after her......although this have might have been lost in Scottish/Italian translation

Still......we will can only hope"...........good luck
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[Evilchicken0]

Diet will only go so far. If you cut your bodyweight you can end up loosing muscle and affecting stamina so you'll end up not being able to hold onto the bike after 20min

Bimotas are really a bike to enjoyed, don't loose sight of that
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[mr-fabricator]

Hi Gavin , will Defo get them looked at once run in and I'm used to the bike ,

I'm a big believer in doing things progressively so u actually notice the differences , tho I do wonder why this isn't done when they bolt them to gether in the first place ? Or am I missing something ?

Evil , I won't waste away , can't afford new leathers if I get to small
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[CNC]

Send some email to these guys:

http://www.superbikemugello.it/264312308
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[2bims]

I go along with pretty much everyone says on here.........the Walbro ECU is a dfferent spec from those fitted to the DB5 and DB6 range....Armin of DRT Schneider in Germany does the Link cable to USb for laptops and the Bimota software to interrogate and change the ECU/fueling etc...theres already a blank cable behind the fairing right side...that is a Ducati 4 pronged connector with a blanking plug...and your laptop plugs into this....

The Walbro boxes stamped ECUC are for Bimota Db5/6 and tesi...and ones stamped ECUG are for the Db7....but unsure if same for DB8...as Bimota did change their ECU's to an American supplier about a year ago...you'll have to see what you have

I'll drop you a couple of emails of the Walbro software pages...and when you get the bike at least you'll know what you're looking for...and can identify the ECU...A few folk on here and elsewhere have tried tweaking the ECU with Ducati gear....but it dont work...dont bother...only their software allows changes......