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brian
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Bloody 'ell Brian , you have worse luck than ME. 
Although , have to say was just about to buy a rectifier off them , so think I will go for the Ducati one.
It will all be worth it in the end, the DB4 is worth it .  |
I'll be steering clear of them in the future Stu. I wouldn't have thought a small magnetic coil would be that hard to manufacture. I'm a little pissed that they haven't even replied to me. I'll try to contact them again when I get back home.
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vort28
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Not good customer relations really, would have thought even though they have been fitted , they will clearly still look new and should have a warranty to work for a year at least anyway , and why would you test a brand new part before you fit ???? Very poor of them. |
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brian
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| vort28 wrote: |
| Not good customer relations really, would have thought even though they have been fitted , they will clearly still look new and should have a warranty to work for a year at least anyway , and why would you test a brand new part before you fit ???? Very poor of them. |
Ok, so they have contacted me. They may have been busy so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
They are very surprized as they've never had one fail before. They are at least trying to work out a solution. I have stopped short of telling them (yet) that I've ordered genuine pickups and won't be using theirs anyway.
The genuine pickups sound like the better option anyway. They come complete with sheathed wiring all the way up to the ignition modules. The wiring also has the tiny connector terminals crimped on, just have to re-use the original plastic connector housings. The electrix world pickups need to be spliced to the original wiring, soldered and heat shrinked etc. I did a good job of the heat shrinking of the wires inside the crank case cover but would still prefer one piece new wires all the way through.
It will be a better job with the genuine parts.
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brian
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Still waiting in the new pickups from Ducati Land so no progress on this yet.
Some pics of new parts I've added
CA Cycleworks Ignition Coil set complete with leads, plugs and plug caps
CA Cycleworks timing belts. New bearings on the tensioner and new genuine fixed idler at the rear
Carbon fibre timing belt covers by Racecon in Sydney
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brian
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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The bolts holes in the mounting lugs on the CA Cycleworks coils aren't quite big enough for the bolts to go through.
A word of warning 2bims and vort... when drilling the mounts lug holes bigger, drill from both sides. If you drill right through from one side the steel contact lug picks up on the drill bit and gets a little shredded.
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2bims
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like good advice Brian on the CA cycleworks coils......cheers...still have to fit mine to the DB2 so will take mental note on that issue....although the fitment area is different on the DB2..
I see some nice shiney Carbon fibre belt covers also Brian........I've two sets of those I've fitted recently......one to the pup and the other to the DB2........On both bikes...word of warning....even though they are lighter and thinner than original plastic belt covers....and one set bought from the states...and one set bought from Europe......On fitting both of the sets the inner mouldings on the horizontal cylinder chaffed and rubbed against the mouldings, causing nice grooving and advanced wear on the belt on both bikes...thus I had to grind away with a mini dremel on both sets so that they cleared the belts when the engine was running.......its easy to tell if this is the case.......run the engine...only for a minute or so before putting all the bodywork back on...and then strip off and look for shredded pieces of rubber and marks on the outside face of the belts...and check on inside face of belt covers to see where its touching....It seems the manufacturers of where I bought from took great care in nice flat and pristine faces but the insides were a bit doggy to say the least...... |
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deebee4
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Cool pictures. Getting back in shape to provide the fun it was built to give.
I fitted solid silicone rubber spark plug caps (Ariete) without any resistor. People don't listen to the radio on tracks anyway....
Carbon fibre belt covers, cool. Mine are even lighter (haven't fitted them at all.... ) Works fine on track and keeps the belts cooler too. Just hope that, should I end up in the gravel, nothing gets into the belt's way......... 
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brian
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the heads up Steve. I do remember you mentioning about the carbon covers rubbing on the belts. I don't think mine will rub anywhere but will have to double check now.
Makes it interesting as I can't remove either of the carbon covers without dropping or at least tilting the engine in the frame. Which means carbs and pipes off at the very least.
The covers that I bought are made by a small operation is Sydney (Aus). They look to be very good quality and good price too. They ship world wide...
http://www.racecon.com.au/index.php
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brian
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:20 am Post subject: |
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I have the frame back on at present as I ran the engine, but unfortunately on one cylinder due to the dead (new) pickup. So I just removed the carbs and pipes and tilted the engine down enough to remove the crankcase cover again to access the pickups. I still don't think i'd get enough clearance to get the belt covers off just by tilting.
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deebee4
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| I have the frame back on at present as I ran the engine, but unfortunately on one cylinder due to the dead (new) pickup. So I just removed the carbs and pipes and tilted the engine down enough to remove the crankcase cover again to access the pickups. I still don't think i'd get enough clearance to get the belt covers off just by tilting. |
Just tilting the frame is only a short way from removing it completely again and it will make working on the engine a lot easier. I tried that tilting often enough, but removing the frame is the best option.
Also you can access the belt covers easily and check for rubbing the belts. Even with the stock covers the belts can rub on the bridge between both sides. That's why I did not fit them again and it makes it easy to check the belts, keep them cool. However: life span can be shortened by dust/sand and dirt and rubber debris coming from the tyres.
When fitting the new pickups make sure the air gap is spot on.
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brian
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| brian wrote: |
| I have the frame back on at present as I ran the engine, but unfortunately on one cylinder due to the dead (new) pickup. So I just removed the carbs and pipes and tilted the engine down enough to remove the crankcase cover again to access the pickups. I still don't think i'd get enough clearance to get the belt covers off just by tilting. |
When fitting the new pickups make sure the air gap is spot on. |
What should the gap be? I haven't been able to find out what the gap should be
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2bims
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I have the frame back on at present as I ran the engine, but unfortunately on one cylinder due to the dead (new) pickup. So I just removed the carbs and pipes and tilted the engine down enough to remove the crankcase cover again to access the pickups. I still don't think i'd get enough clearance to get the belt covers off just by tilting. |
The belt may rub at the top pulley on the horizontal cylinder.......so be sure theres no snot or such on the back of the belt cover....they can be removed whilst the engine is in situ....just remove all the bolts and josstle the horizontal cover out first then the vertical.......Myself and Vort have both had the covers off whilst the engine is insitu...and belts renewed also without any engine tilting or hardware removal...same as the DB2...it is possible just a bit of a chinese puzzle to learn how to get the one piece carbon covers off whilst all in situ |
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brian
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Cheers Steve, I'll check it out
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deebee4
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| brian wrote: |
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| brian wrote: |
| I have the frame back on at present as I ran the engine, but unfortunately on one cylinder due to the dead (new) pickup. So I just removed the carbs and pipes and tilted the engine down enough to remove the crankcase cover again to access the pickups. I still don't think i'd get enough clearance to get the belt covers off just by tilting. |
When fitting the new pickups make sure the air gap is spot on. |
What should the gap be? I haven't been able to find out what the gap should be |
It should be listed in a good workshop manual or on dr google.
In the past I had the engine rebuilt (let's say stage 2 tuning) and one air gap was too wide and it didn't run well either. After resetting the air gap myself everything was fine.
But I just asked the mechanic (worked for Ducati Corse) that rebuilt my engine last winter (let's say stage 3 tuning and it runs flawlessly ever since) what gap he did set it to.
Mind: when you switch over the 2 wires coming from the pickup sensor, the pickup doesn't work well either, causing erratic ignition. Easily diagnosed with a strobe light shining through the inspection window.
Cheers
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brian
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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What should the gap be? I haven't been able to find out what the gap should be |
0.7 mm + or - 0.1 mm
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