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Pompey
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Annnd finaly Gaz, are you not trying to build a tesi for less then that?
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BimotaUK
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Problem is in the current financial climate Jap bike manufactures are struggling to sell sports bike. Ducati however can sell every Pantiless that they can produce in standard, S or tricolor spec. Now love or hate them , Ducati owners will pay for what they believe is exclusivity.
How many Jap engine lovers will do that ??? What were the last true Superbike special spec bikes the japs produced ? RC45? R7? Could they sell them to Joe public ? Could they Bollocks.
You are also assuming the Japs want to sell Bimota engines. Yeah they probably will, but not 10 at a time. A thousand maybe, but its not worth their while to sell less than that.
I have numerous different engines Bimota's, and they all have their plus points. But one thing you can not argue with is in the second hand market. Which engine configuration is most sort after???
An sb6 cost circa 16k in 1995 , and a DB2 circa 12k. 2012, and SB6 is worth what Oily ?? and a db2 How much ???
Can Bimota compete against the Japs on a level field ?? NO, Economy of scale dictates that . They can not buy components at the same price as the Japs , so they have to deal on the exclusivity . |
Well if you want me to coment then please see above! Says it all really.
People very rarely look at the economics and just look at what they would like to see done. Bimota will never be a big player, they will only ever be able to build a small number of bikes a year. My personel opinion is that the Ducati engines suit the current range very well, most people I spoke with over the weekend seemed to agree. In fact the only mention of using the Jap engines has been made on here.
On another note I will only be dropping on here every now and again unless I have something to tell you all, please don't take it the wrong way if I don't throw my two pennies in staright away. |
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BimotaUK
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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sory for bad spelin 
Forgot to check it before posting! |
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2bims
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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People very rarely look at the economics and just look at what they would like to see done. Bimota will never be a big player, they will only ever be able to build a small number of bikes a year. My personel opinion is that the Ducati engines suit the current range very well, most people I spoke with over the weekend seemed to agree. In fact the only mention of using the Jap engines has been made on here.
On another note I will only be dropping on here every now and again unless I have something to tell you all, please don't take it the wrong way if I don't throw my two pennies in staright away. |
Its just nice to know that you are on here, listening and commentating whenever you can, and as per economics, you are trying to make a living out of them, rather than the buying and riding public, thus any news on potential dealers, or attendance at shows, or bikes on display/test rides etc, will always be appreciated. My only other Tuppeny worth would be not to forget Middle and Northern England, seems plenty of folk around that have money for new Pantiliners, One Northern Ducati Dealer has now sold over 60 since the launch, equates to 1 squillion quid in anyones language, and thats just one dealer. Yet only delivered 10...But they still sell them, folk are prepared to wait for their "exclusive" Ducati......Some bloke bought a base model and then spent 3500 extra on termi pipes and carbon bolt ons, to be put on by the Factory! Thats the new buyer that every dealer wants, a man with enough money not to care, doesn't want to turn a spanner, just buy, ride, drop off for service etc. Thats not me, but theres plenty like it. Some folk cancelled their order due to late promise of delivery as they wanted it "just" for the TT week. So buy second hand other, and then order next years model in time. Plenty of folk that buy new every year trading in last years model |
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BimotaUK
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yes agree 100%
We have taken 3 orders so far for new models from people who don't want a Ducati as they are too common and not special enough.
Don't worry I wont forget the northern dealers. In fact you may see a DB7 Orinero in a shop window soon, not bad at £37k  |
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Pompey
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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So hundreds of people lining up to buy the ducati ducati. Only 3 to buy a bim ducati... and you still think the argument holds up? Time will tell. How many gsxr1000 based bims would be sold if it was produced. More then 3 I think.
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oily
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Well.....I'd buy one, you'd buy one, M would buy one......er....that's 3 without trying and I'm crap at maths 
Can't believe that people think doochatee are the be all and end all. Overpriced commercial profit making.......onandonandon....
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Pompey
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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there you go, 3 orders in 3 minutes from one forum. I'll get my coat.
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2bims
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| So hundreds of people lining up to buy the ducati ducati. Only 3 to buy a bim ducati... and you still think the argument holds up? Time will tell. How many gsxr1000 based bims would be sold if it was produced. More then 3 I think. |
I'm no advertising "guru" but I think that sheer "presence" and "visibility" is what makes a product sell, doesn't have to be particularly good or special, but available and constantly in the public eye counts for SOOO much, be it in films (The Matrix) Tom cruise films, adverts for Chanel, you name it, they crop up.
Theres not many bikers out there that don't recall Fogerty and Ducati, despite the cc difference they were allowed over the "4's" Most folk don't even know that. And you may hate the distinctive noise of a Duc, but when its passing people and their homes etc, most bikers know what it is even before it appears. Counts for a lot when peoples senses are bombarded by them. VW buying Ducati is not to make them better, but to make money, so they bought on the product alone, regardless of somes tastes. If running a business you base it on what is in the peoples minds and visions. I'm sure buckets of Bimotas would sell if they were allowed to be in Ducati showrooms, but the "special" part that makes Bimota would mean they probably wouldn't come back the following year to trade in for next years model, and thats what makes Ducati "special" in their marketting. Despite little to no recent success, at least they are still racing in most series, more can be said for any of the other manufacturers, who due to costs pick one or the other, just like car manufacturers in rallying, formula one or BTCC. All that costs money |
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2bims
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Well.....I'd buy one, you'd buy one, M would buy one......er....that's 3 without trying and I'm crap at maths
Can't believe that people think doochatee are the be all and end all. Overpriced commercial profit making.......onandonandon.... |
Wouldn't want to quote you Oily, Woops, just did, but really?? thought you once said you can only afford "basket cases" or is this pure "marketting" so that any sickly SB6's that come you way can be bought more cheaply? Don't blame you, but would you buy a new one? When you could buy 5 or 6 more SB6's instead???
My background, poor as it was, was to make ends meet and make good old things, still like doing it, and occassionally buy new things, but prefer the old non-ECU, non Injected, Non"more things to go wrong" type of bikes, fettle them, use and run them and then each has a "little part of me" in them.(But not in a sexual way  ) Turn up at a bike venue on a Pantyliner and people say, Oh yeh, a new bike.....Uuuhhh and thats it, nothing to chat about. Evidently we all know the joy of the young and those real old cherished types rocking over and recounting the days, and the young saying "where do you buy these from?" "Whats in it?" What'll do mister?" Pantyliners not for me, but a 2008/9 Bimota,....Hhhmmm...watch this space. Would love for there to be a dealer though that knew how to sort things or get spares when things go wrong. Must have over 100 "favourites" saved on my computer for Bimota bits/leads/places to buy etc. A one stop shop would be just grand Certainly save me countless long nights on the "net" searching for that elusive part.... |
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Pompey
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thats the thing 2bims, you look at most of the guys on this forum and we are all the same type of rider, with the same love for making older bikes better and maintaining the ones we have. No issue at all. Sadly though I believe Bimota will go down the pan without diversity... 2 to 3 years and it will be all over unless someone buys them out again. 
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oily
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Well.....I'd buy one, you'd buy one, M would buy one......er....that's 3 without trying and I'm crap at maths
Can't believe that people think doochatee are the be all and end all. Overpriced commercial profit making.......onandonandon.... |
Wouldn't want to quote you Oily, Woops, just did, but really?? thought you once said you can only afford "basket cases" or is this pure "marketting" so that any sickly SB6's that come you way can be bought more cheaply? Don't blame you, but would you buy a new one? When you could buy 5 or 6 more SB6's instead???
My background, poor as it was, was to make ends meet and make good old things, still like doing it, and occassionally buy new things, but prefer the old non-ECU, non Injected, Non"more things to go wrong" type of bikes, fettle them, use and run them and then each has a "little part of me" in them.(But not in a sexual way ) Turn up at a bike venue on a Pantyliner and people say, Oh yeh, a new bike.....Uuuhhh and thats it, nothing to chat about. Evidently we all know the joy of the young and those real old cherished types rocking over and recounting the days, and the young saying "where do you buy these from?" "Whats in it?" What'll do mister?" Pantyliners not for me, but a 2008/9 Bimota,....Hhhmmm...watch this space. Would love for there to be a dealer though that knew how to sort things or get spares when things go wrong. Must have over 100 "favourites" saved on my computer for Bimota bits/leads/places to buy etc. A one stop shop would be just grand Certainly save me countless long nights on the "net" searching for that elusive part.... |
Yes, I would probably buy two new ones if they were sensibly priced and I could cut a deal and get a free T shirt 
It's all pie in the sky because Bimota don't want the hassle of R&D they just want profit from re-framing a barely engineered, well marketed has been race winner, that is dying it's own death doochatee
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2bims
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| Thats the thing 2bims, you look at most of the guys on this forum and we are all the same type of rider, with the same love for making older bikes better and maintaining the ones we have. No issue at all. Sadly though I believe Bimota will go down the pan without diversity... 2 to 3 years and it will be all over unless someone buys them out again. |
Always take into account the Italian "flair" for creative accounting though. Italian companies are protected from their creditors for 5 years in insolvency/bankruptcy. This gives a large window of oppurtunity for other investors to come forward. Italian production companies, be it car or bike are HEAVILY protected and supported by their Government, even though this flies in the face of EU statute, they just do it and be damned. Frankly for certain British makes this was a blessing that protection wasn't provided. Italy still has the largest quota of separate car and bike manufacturers of any country, so we can all but hope. VW/Audi took over Lamborghini and introduced reliability and some improved practicality but with no loss of exclusivity or Italian flair/styling, so we can all hope that the same happens with Bimota.... |
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Pompey
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone know what the best ever selling Bimota was?
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oily
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:11 am Post subject: |
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miss, miss, miss....I do miss
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