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Evilchicken0

Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 2996 Location: London
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'll have a go on Sunday
The things I agree to !!! _________________ Don't read everything you believe |
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oily

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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You kow it makes sense..............
You know that if you don't check, you'll never trust your bike again..........
certainly not enough to ride up to one of Pompey's meets  |
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oily

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Okey Dokey, the clutch............
It seems to me that every SB6 I've had as let me down with the clutch, I'm now thinking that this is coincidence. It appears that every one has been affected with a different problem but all manifest the same result...clutch drag.
With this particular clutch I decided I was going to solve the problem permanently so started by taking plenty of "before" measurements to compare with the "After" measurements........
Free play on the pressure plate amounted to almost 2.5mm but that shouldn't cause a problem as the slave cylinder would automatically take that up.
Perhaps theres too much deflection at the slave cylinder causing too little movement on the push rod......No, deflection is less than 0.01mm.
Measure the movement when the lever is pulled in then....1.2mm doesn't seem enough
perhaps the push rod has worn.... No, still 108.5mm as it should be.
Out with the 50mm socket and air gun then and let's get inside the sucker........
It's nice when you find the problem staring you in the face and no longer need to scratch your head and your arse whilst puzzling of Suzuki Sans and Bimota designs...........
Seems some little monkey has been here before me(as they had on my previous clutch project) and replaced the clutch plates
Stripped down awaiting parts.......
This is some of the lumpy crud that came out with the plates. I presume that these lumps were wedged between the plates causing the drag. Also, cheap after market plates were used and the WP/WR set up was used(seems it always is with clutch replacement on these) as opposed to WS, WT, WV set up
Finally........
here's the reason you shouldn't use cheap after market plates in these big motors children. Bear in mind SWMBO was using this bike most week ends right up until the big bore was on the road. She complained about the dragging clutch from time to time and I explained that she needed to learn to "ride around" these small problems
This was going to be a downward spiral, as one lump fell off and got stuck between the plates, causing drag and heat, it was going to cause others to fall off and cause more drag and heat.
Looks like the sumps gotta come off when I can get at it. Deja vu.
In the WP/WR engine there are two different type of friction plates but in the WS> engines Suzuki San modified the set up and used three different types of friction plates. Just about all after market plate sets use the 2 plate system. Go figure.
New plates ordered so the engine should be back together soon(when I get an answer on this coolant pipe) and then onward and upward  |
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rpo83

Joined: 28 Oct 2008 Posts: 387 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Nice clutch.....
What have you been doing to that poor bike
Cheers
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oily

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Not guilty yer 'oner..........
That'll be the other half practising her traffic light drag starts  |
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CBar
Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Posts: 142 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Thirdly, the most interesting bit. The two downward pointing legs of the metal pipe that fit nicely into the silicon pipes which in turn fit onto the back of the head to channel the cooling fluid.....................................well only the right hand pipe does
The left hand pipe was never drilled into the main pipe after being welded at the factory. Now, was this a clever way to control the coolant flow or was it just a Bimota cock up? will we ever know? shall I drill it and see what happens? Has anyone got an SB6 in bits at the moment (SPRING) etc. etc........................  |
If you are talking about this, then it should be open.
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Evilchicken0

Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 2996 Location: London
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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That's a relief I won't need to mess around in my cold garage  _________________ Don't read everything you believe |
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oily

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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The warmest November in 60 years and your moning about your cold garage. Wus
Thanks for offering evilchuck and Cbar, thanks for answering the question.
Now, where are the big drills.
PS......for the Bimota factory........If your not sure what a big drill is, just ask and I'll post a picture for you  |
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Evilchicken0

Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 2996 Location: London
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Bimota should check the parts when they come in and before they're fitted.
Maybe it's a V-Due moment  _________________ Don't read everything you believe |
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MARTIN
Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 226 Location: ABERDEEN SCOTLAND
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Inspired by this string,all the beautifully painted brackets,clean engines etc,
I decided to start my own strip down/rebuild.
Dont know wether to thank or blame you, if I find any horror stories, will post them.
7 hours later, down to engine,frame and electrics. _________________ Marty
State of the art and leading edge of cocking things up
(00) SB6 (95) HD FXDWG STRETCH (01)GSXR1000K1 |
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oily

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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7 hours
take your time, don't hurry Takes about 3 hours to take every nut and bolt apart but then again, I've done it quite a few times before.
I'm glad that this thread has had an effect on you Martin, good or bad. I was contemplating not bothering posting the rest of the re-build due to the poor response but if it's going to help you, I'll carry on posting
If you need help with anything, shout up.
PS....start your own re-build thread Martin, We can't have too many pictures of Bimota's in bit's (or post your re-build pictures in my thread) as it's probably the best Bimota reference place on the net  |
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2bims

Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 7314
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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7 hours
. I was contemplating not bothering posting the rest of the re-build due to the poor response : |
Apologies if theres been a poor response, but don't let it stop you posting, I'm sure theres lots more like me just reading and others that if theres anything that they can help with do so, but for the rest its nice reading, thanks.
Did offer a while ago to do a historic post rebuild write up of my DB2 and the YB11 but had no responses either so canned it, but may resurrect it from photo archives. Keep up the posting |
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MARTIN
Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 226 Location: ABERDEEN SCOTLAND
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely agree,I am not a mechanic ( electrician to trade ) but my job
and my "hobby" make it all a learning experience. Seeing photos and reading
details of Bimota quirks help me to tackle what at first looks a mechanics
nightmare, unless they have really small hands, and three of them at that !!!
Keep up the stellar work, we do read, although sometimes not reply _________________ Marty
State of the art and leading edge of cocking things up
(00) SB6 (95) HD FXDWG STRETCH (01)GSXR1000K1 |
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oily

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: |
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[quote="2bims"]
| oily wrote: |
Did offer a while ago to do a historic post rebuild write up of my DB2 and the YB11 but had no responses either so canned it, but may resurrect it from photo archives. |
I missed that offer
I wondered why you hadn't posted your rebuilds.
I, personally think that re-build threads are one of the most useful tools on this forum for all the reasons MARTIN gave plus a few more. There is absolutely NO substitute for "doing" but a very useful trait is learning from others mistakes which in turn should reduce your mistakes. |
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Evilchicken0

Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 2996 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: |
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It's all useful info and pics are worth a lot of words _________________ Don't read everything you believe |
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