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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2020 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ordered some parts last week before I had to go back to work for a week. Parts have started turning up now so I’ll be able to get back into this job. I’m now home for 3 weeks so hope to make a fair bit of progress.
Started cleaning up the dirty and stained crank cases and engine covers last week, trialling different cleaning products and hardware. I’ve not found the magic ingredient yet, but I’m told that oven cleaner is NOT a good idea, who knows, but I’ll take this gentlemans word for it as he’s very anal when it comes to cleaning..... nuff said, you know who you are
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Bud977
Joined: 03 Mar 2013 Posts: 525 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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You need to pull the engine apart now to clean it properly Funny how a minor refurb turns to this. With the bikes I'm restoring at the moment - RGV250, TZ250U, RD350LC - I conceded defeat at the beginning and stripped them down to the last nut and bolt. Then cleaned, repaired and re-assembled.
To clean your engine, I'd use WD40 and a stiff plastic parts cleaner brush. Spray it on, loosen the dirt with the brush, then flush it off with more WD, rags and an air nozzle. For unpainted areas, you can use a wire brush, but take it easy. It's amazing how clean parts come out just using this method. |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Bud977 wrote: |
You need to pull the engine apart now to clean it properly Funny how a minor refurb turns to this. With the bikes I'm restoring at the moment - RGV250, TZ250U, RD350LC - I conceded defeat at the beginning and stripped them down to the last nut and bolt. Then cleaned, repaired and re-assembled.
To clean your engine, I'd use WD40 and a stiff plastic parts cleaner brush. Spray it on, loosen the dirt with the brush, then flush it off with more WD, rags and an air nozzle. For unpainted areas, you can use a wire brush, but take it easy. It's amazing how clean parts come out just using this method. |
Yeah it was just going to be a proper clean of the carbs, a good check over and a ‘quick’ clean . Oh well it’s turning into a nice project and it may even get me motivated to crack on with some of the other projects piled up.
I’ve used those exact methods that you mention with reasonable results, but I’m struggling with the painted engine covers to get the stains out of them. I’ll try a couple more ideas, then will decide whether to leave well enough alone or paint. I’ll most likely get it as clean as I can and leave it as I really don’t want to paint the covers _________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 8:27 am Post subject: |
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The bottom of the inside belt cover on the vertical cylinder has popped out at some point and been rubbing on the belt. So I decided to remove it and see if it can be repaired.
I don’t have any fancy Ducati special tools so I made my own tool to remove the belt pulley nut
Easy enough then to pull the pulley off and very carefully rattle out the capscrews holding the inside cover to the head
_________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Does anybody know a torque setting for the pulley nuts? _________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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2bims
Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 7289
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:03 am Post subject: |
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I have a Haynes 900ss/Superlight WOrkshop manual so I'll look....also...somewhere....I have the Ducati one on line/pdf... |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:08 am Post subject: |
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2bims wrote: |
I have a Haynes 900ss/Superlight WOrkshop manual so I'll look....also...somewhere....I have the Ducati one on line/pdf... |
You just reminded me..... I think I have the 900ss manual on PDF somewhere too, I’ll have a look _________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:28 am Post subject: |
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brian wrote: |
2bims wrote: |
I have a Haynes 900ss/Superlight WOrkshop manual so I'll look....also...somewhere....I have the Ducati one on line/pdf... |
You just reminded me..... I think I have the 900ss manual on PDF somewhere too, I’ll have a look |
Found my PDF manual...... torque setting chart is in Italian only _________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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2bims
Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 7289
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:35 am Post subject: |
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brian wrote: |
Does anybody know a torque setting for the pulley nuts? |
Top pulley nut...70-75Nm for the 600/870/900 engines so says Haynes manual |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:47 am Post subject: |
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2bims wrote: |
brian wrote: |
Does anybody know a torque setting for the pulley nuts? |
Top pulley nut...70-75Nm for the 600/870/900 engines so says Haynes manual |
Thank you 👍👍👍👍 _________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Finally all cleaned up. The condition of the paint on the cases and covers isn’t good as I’d like. If it was going to be a full rebuild I would go the extra mile and repaint it, but it’s really only a freshen up so I’ll leave it alone.
_________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I even found a nice gold chain under all the muck. It cleaned up nicely and looks to be in good condition.
_________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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2bims
Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 7289
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Dont be too hard on yourself Brian....,Thats a lovely job of cleaning up of a little pipsqueak 400 Ducati engine....youre lucky theres any paint left on the casings....they are notorious for the paint to flake off upon a single breath from an asthmatic hamster......so its been stored well and not abused....
And =/////...Dont forget....Not a single ruddy piece of it is visible when the clothes go back on.....other than the Vertical cylinder.....even the clutch cover is hidden as is the sprocket cover.....Might want to soak that chain a little in ethanol or petrol and work a few of those links back and forth...looks like theres a couple of sticky ones in there....other than that...keep up the grand work....love seeing these little gems...or any Bimota gem...being slowly made better under new ownership....we are just mere temporary custodians of such gems |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Thanks 2bims. There’s one patch on the RH engine cover that the paint has flaked off but the rest isn’t too bad considering it’s age. And yep, I carefully studied some before photos with bodywork on and then decided it would be best left alone. _________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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brian wrote: |
I even found a nice gold chain under all the muck. It cleaned up nicely and looks to be in good condition.
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It’s a Regina chain. I’ve never had a Regina chain before but have heard of them. Anybody have an opinion on them? _________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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